the other one is the government. you can think back to oklahoma city in 1995. he got in trouble back then. he talked about federal agents jack booted thugs and storm troopers and said they were going to come after law-abiding set zenz. this is what you had to worry about. as long as the gangs are going to get you or the government is going to get you, and you better arm yourself. this is a consistent message for like a quarter of a century. >> interestingly, this screen he made the point of saying we are not advocating gun ownership. it's the gangs. >> the actions of the government, they won't come to save you. get more guns. >> if it is a doubling down, maggie, we were talking about this before this segment, i think that the conversation is different this time around. >> yeah. i mean, i think we've discussed on this show before that basically the nra is we're not the target audience of who they're talking to here in central brooklyn or south brooklyn, or various residences in brooklyn, including myself. i think we are about to see and one away wha we were disc